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Post by properry on Mar 24, 2013 18:28:02 GMT -5
Wow this thread sure was a long time ago and brought up some memories of the past.
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Post by wasup254 on Aug 3, 2013 0:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by icubud on Aug 7, 2013 18:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by arden on Aug 9, 2013 12:41:05 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, wasup. Thanks, icubud!! |
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Post by icubud on Aug 11, 2013 9:01:48 GMT -5
Decided to create as four PDFs and zipped filed them for download.
Hopefully this works....
It didn't... the file attachment function apparently is not configured correctly.
If someone has a website they are willing to post the pages for please email/IM me with your email address and I will email you the zip file.
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Post by wasup254 on Sept 8, 2013 17:26:08 GMT -5
When click on the sections of the interview.. the last page does not appear..this happened when I orginally posted the link...I get a screen with the red "x" in the left hand upper corner of the page....is there a way to get the last page to appea?r....
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Post by icubud on Sept 22, 2013 8:56:11 GMT -5
Wasup,
I just emailed you interview.
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Post by bam on Mar 12, 2015 13:10:19 GMT -5
I know this thread is from 2013 but the link to Castles Burning is here: web.archive.org/web/20020601082059/http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/Yea, for me the funny thing is that it sounds to me like Steve Perry did what he wanted to do and had opinions and it was no longer Herbie's way or the highway. I mean, if Perry doesn't want to tour stadiums because the lack of intimacy, I GET IT! I mean, I HATE STADIUM shows! Everything about them sucks! I can't imagine them without the big screen. Herbie's all about the money and control. And hey, you can't hold Perry responsible for the financial failings of his bandmates. They made a lot of money and if they mismanaged to the point where they couldn't pay rent and had to file bankruptcy, shame on them. I don't care what anyone says, there has never been a voice that moves me like Steve Perry's. And I don't care how many "Sounds-just-like-Perry" singers they put out there. I think the other guys are being hateful towards Perry because they blame him for them for 15 years of no Journey. Like Perry says, go anywhere you want, do anything you want, call yourselves anything you want, just leave the Journey name alone. I don't care that Journey was before Perry -- Perry is what sealed the deal. The "Journey" ended when Perry got off the bus and becoming something else is reasonable to me if, say, you could have done it in a matter of days. Instead, you wait for Perry who has an interest in Journey and when he doesn't want to or cannot come back, you dump all over him for him taking control of his interests. LOL! It's not personal, Herbie. YOU of all people should know, it's just business.  |
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Post by arden on Mar 14, 2015 19:13:29 GMT -5
I know this thread is from 2013 but the link to Castles Burning is here: web.archive.org/web/20020601082059/http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/Yea, for me the funny thing is that it sounds to me like Steve Perry did what he wanted to do and had opinions and it was no longer Herbie's way or the highway. I mean, if Perry doesn't want to tour stadiums because the lack of intimacy, I GET IT! I mean, I HATE STADIUM shows! Everything about them sucks! I can't imagine them without the big screen. Herbie's all about the money and control. And hey, you can't hold Perry responsible for the financial failings of his bandmates. They made a lot of money and if they mismanaged to the point where they couldn't pay rent and had to file bankruptcy, shame on them. I don't care what anyone says, there has never been a voice that moves me like Steve Perry's. And I don't care how many "Sounds-just-like-Perry" singers they put out there. I think the other guys are being hateful towards Perry because they blame him for them for 15 years of no Journey. Like Perry says, go anywhere you want, do anything you want, call yourselves anything you want, just leave the Journey name alone. I don't care that Journey was before Perry -- Perry is what sealed the deal. The "Journey" ended when Perry got off the bus and becoming something else is reasonable to me if, say, you could have done it in a matter of days. Instead, you wait for Perry who has an interest in Journey and when he doesn't want to or cannot come back, you dump all over him for him taking control of his interests. LOL! It's not personal, Herbie. YOU of all people should know, it's just business. |
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Post by dreamgirl on Mar 19, 2015 23:07:39 GMT -5
I know this thread is from 2013 but the link to Castles Burning is here: web.archive.org/web/20020601082059/http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/Yea, for me the funny thing is that it sounds to me like Steve Perry did what he wanted to do and had opinions and it was no longer Herbie's way or the highway. I mean, if Perry doesn't want to tour stadiums because the lack of intimacy, I GET IT! I mean, I HATE STADIUM shows! Everything about them sucks! I can't imagine them without the big screen. Herbie's all about the money and control. And hey, you can't hold Perry responsible for the financial failings of his bandmates. They made a lot of money and if they mismanaged to the point where they couldn't pay rent and had to file bankruptcy, shame on them. I don't care what anyone says, there has never been a voice that moves me like Steve Perry's. And I don't care how many "Sounds-just-like-Perry" singers they put out there. I think the other guys are being hateful towards Perry because they blame him for them for 15 years of no Journey. Like Perry says, go anywhere you want, do anything you want, call yourselves anything you want, just leave the Journey name alone. I don't care that Journey was before Perry -- Perry is what sealed the deal. The "Journey" ended when Perry got off the bus and becoming something else is reasonable to me if, say, you could have done it in a matter of days. Instead, you wait for Perry who has an interest in Journey and when he doesn't want to or cannot come back, you dump all over him for him taking control of his interests. LOL! It's not personal, Herbie. YOU of all people should know, it's just business. Welcome to the Hotel! Yea HH sure did stir up the fans (including me) but I believe all his negative remarks towards all the Journey band members most likely hurt HIM in the end.That is just my opinion anyway. Come back and post soon. |
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Post by journeygoddess on Mar 29, 2015 7:27:20 GMT -5
I realize that I am a little late to this party but truth is timeless. My life experiences have revealed that control freaks become angry and vengeful when deprived of that control. The fact that Journey's success climbed from respectable to stratospheric when Perry and Cain joined the band were certainly watershed moments for all those involved. I am on the doorstep of my 50th birthday which means I was in my mid to late teens when Journey was stratospheric. I spent part of the money I made working part-time as a drugstore cashier to become a member of Fan Asylum in early 1984. Tangerine Dream had just released their first album. By HH's version of the story JC made his demand for their contract in 1980-81. Why would it take 4 years to produce that project when JC's involvement was predicated upon TD's contract? I know JC and TC divorced in 1985 but someh
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Post by icubud on Mar 29, 2015 9:06:26 GMT -5
Welcome to the board journeygoddess.
We are both approaching our 50th. I hope yours is a great day.
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Post by dreamgirl on Mar 31, 2015 14:50:52 GMT -5
I realize that I am a little late to this party but truth is timeless. My life experiences have revealed that control freaks become angry and vengeful when deprived of that control. The fact that Journey's success climbed from respectable to stratospheric when Perry and Cain joined the band were certainly watershed moments for all those involved. I am on the doorstep of my 50th birthday which means I was in my mid to late teens when Journey was stratospheric. I spent part of the money I made working part-time as a drugstore cashier to become a member of Fan Asylum in early 1984. Tangerine Dream had just released their first album. By HH's version of the story JC made his demand for their contract in 1980-81. Why would it take 4 years to produce that project when JC's involvement was predicated upon TD's contract? I know JC and TC divorced in 1985 but someh Welcome to the Hotel journeygoddess, nice to have you here. I think HH made himself look bad by stating all the thing he said about SP/Journey, but as I said, he hurt himself more than he hurt any of them. |
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Post by bellairepark73 on Apr 12, 2017 13:01:52 GMT -5
I am new to this message board. However, I have read these and other interviews that Herbie has given...and I have to say...that as the former manager, he knows more about some things than we ever will. I do kind of believe Steve did do drugs back in the day before Journey. Remember, he was starving, and on welfare (food stamps) and one of the ways to get your mind off of your hunger is by doing something that your brain will cause your nerves to recognize and override the nerves in your stomach. Hunger makes you stay up at night, and causes a lot of pain and anxiety. Drugs can numb the pain and cut the anxiety. Neal did drugs and fully acknowledges that he was a "...functioning f***k-up" with that and alcohol. Herbie said in past interviews that he didn't allow that (hard drugs) but now we know it to be true. So, now Herbie is telling a little of the truth. But a lot is exaggerated and untrue. It may have been that he may have spoken with Steve's mother because he couldn't get to Steve right away...sounds like a regular conversation.
I like to hear the story behind the published story. It has not been confronted with by Steve because some of it was true and the rest were exaggerated and some untrue. But who has the time or desire to pick the pin out of the haystack. And Steve has said he was no walk in the park...while the others were no day at the beach either. Well...there only so much of his "interviews" I can read...but thanks for posting.
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Post by perrynow on Apr 16, 2017 19:10:15 GMT -5
It might be interesting if HH was interviewed after the RRHOF ceremony, just to see if he has mellowed/changed his tune at all....or if he will take all his bitterness to his grave. Maybe someone will end up suggesting an interview to Andrew at the Crock. He's obviously got his number. I wonder if NS or Rolie had to twist Herbie's arm (or buy his ticket) to get him to go see them get their award?
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Post by icubud on Nov 25, 2022 14:30:34 GMT -5
I didn't give up  parts 1-3 |
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Post by icubud on Nov 25, 2022 14:31:39 GMT -5
part 4 Attachments:
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Post by icubud on Nov 25, 2022 14:36:30 GMT -5
FWIW, I insist even to this day, that the person who killed Journey was HH. What I think occurred was HH from the beginning of the possibility of TBF happening and it was Journey without him. He from then on, poured poison and toxicity into the band's ears SPECIFICALLY NS. So the ultimatum was given (undoubtedly to the joy of HH, picture Danny Devitos character in Taxi doing the classic schtick of "I will rub their face in it".) I also insist to this day that Cain is exceptionally jealous of SP and was more than willing to give the boot to him in the infamous breaking the stone talk. Rolie and Schon and HH created the band called Journey BUT IT WAS SP THAT CREATED THE ROCK GROUP JOURNEY! PDF link Castles Burning HH Binder.pdf (345.91 KB) |
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Post by dreamgirl on Jan 9, 2023 13:40:28 GMT -5
FWIW, I insist even to this day, that the person who killed Journey was HH. What I think occurred was HH from the beginning of the possibility of TBF happening and it was Journey without him. He from then on, poured poison and toxicity into the band's ears SPECIFICALLY NS. So the ultimatum was given (undoubtedly to the joy of HH, picture Danny Devitos character in Taxi doing the classic schtick of "I will rub their face in it".) I also insist to this day that Cain is exceptionally jealous of SP and was more than willing to give the boot to him in the infamous breaking the stone talk. Rolie and Schon and HH created the band called Journey BUT IT WAS SP THAT CREATED THE ROCK GROUP JOURNEY! PDF link View AttachmentI know it has been years & should let go of that very bad feeling I had about both Neal & Jon making that terrible decision to "crack the stone". Steve Perry didn't deserve that from them. I remember Neal running his mouth publicly saying, "This is my band and I will do what I want with it". With hat said, then why did he not go do that very dirty deed himself, instead of him sending Jon to do it for him?  And Why in the world would Jon go along with it and make that WRONG call to SP. Why didn't Jon do more to "speak up" on SP's behalf back then. I didn't think of Jon being jealous back when all this happened, I kind of thought of him as a person with weak character that he didn't have it in him to "stand up" for his fellow band mate SP. It was easier for him to just "go along" rather than do what was right. I would say NOW about Jon that it was maybe BOTH "weak character" & "Jealousy" of SP. MAYBE Jon wanted to take all the credit for the song writing in the band because it would give him way more recognition. I really like how you put that icubud, "It was Schon, Rolie , and HH that created the band Journey, BUT IT WAS SP THAT CREATED THE ROCK GROUP JOURNEY". I agree with that totally!!! And right now there is so much fighting going on between Neal & Jon and it isn't getting any better between them. Just recently Neal said , Gregg Rolie is going to join the tour for the big 50 year reunion. To me that sounds GREAT!!! Rolie should be there for the reunion concert. It makes sense to me. Gregg Rolie seems like a cool guy and great musician. Jon has recently said publicly that if Gregg Rolie is at this big 50 year reunion that HE will not share the stage with him. WHAT? why in the world would Jon be against Gregg Rolie being at this big 50 year reunion? Is Jon jealous of Gregg Rolie too? Now even more recently, Gary Stucky found some information that Arnel is now saying if Gregg Rolie is at this big 50 year renuion that He won't sing on the stage with Gregg Rolie either. Gary Stucky said he does not know if this current information about Arnel is true or not. Gary said the information came from Neal's publicist. If it is true, NOT saying it is true, is Jon putting bad stuff in Arnel's ear to create more division amongst band members. The reason that I say Jon MIGHT be the culprit is cause it does not make sense to me that it would be Neal cause he is the one who invited Gregg Rolie to the 50 year reunion. As for the wives of Jon & Neal, they need to remain silent & not get involved in the public fight. It will only make it worse, besides they (wives) are not Journey band members. As for SP, I still support him all the way in whatever decision he makes for himself. |
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Post by icubud on Jan 9, 2023 17:29:02 GMT -5
I have since Frontiers sensed something about JC. I don't remember exactly what tripped that for me, it may have been something I noticed in Frontiers & Beyond. I do know that with ROR, at least to me, the disdain for JC by SP was there. It seemed to me JC always was wanting the spotlight. Look at Escape tour and note the change of his clothes to more aligned/copying SP. You see it again in Frontiers and ROR. He even at times got knocked away by NS when JC was "playing" guitar and he would get into NS spotlight during a solo. It is all evidenced in the live footages over the years. In ROR tour and the terrific BGTY live video, u see JC always approaching SP and SP getting away. It was like SP was protecting his enjoying the moment vibe.
I am a nobody. I am a fan. As u and hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, I have listened and watched whatever I could digest for the past 43 years. You begin to notice lil things. I know u know what I mean.
One thing about the HH toxic interview was he did say the GR picked JC as a way to torment SP. JC doesn't want anyone else in the spotlight in ref to keyboards or getting some singing spotlight. As for Arnel, I don't know. It doesn't seem like the Arnel I barely know.
NS is flawed (aren't we all) but he has a lot (MILLIONS) of people's attention. NS wants the road. That is what he know and loves. So GR and the "Journey thru time" thing being able to be done in much bigger arenas and such, makes sense.
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Post by dreamgirl on Jan 20, 2023 19:02:32 GMT -5
I have since Frontiers sensed something about JC. I don't remember exactly what tripped that for me, it may have been something I noticed in Frontiers & Beyond. I do know that with ROR, at least to me, the disdain for JC by SP was there. It seemed to me JC always was wanting the spotlight. Look at Escape tour and note the change of his clothes to more aligned/copying SP. You see it again in Frontiers and ROR. He even at times got knocked away by NS when JC was "playing" guitar and he would get into NS spotlight during a solo. It is all evidenced in the live footages over the years. In ROR tour and the terrific BGTY live video, u see JC always approaching SP and SP getting away. It was like SP was protecting his enjoying the moment vibe. I am a nobody. I am a fan. As u and hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, I have listened and watched whatever I could digest for the past 43 years. You begin to notice lil things. I know u know what I mean. One thing about the HH toxic interview was he did say the GR picked JC as a way to torment SP. JC doesn't want anyone else in the spotlight in ref to keyboards or getting some singing spotlight. As for Arnel, I don't know. It doesn't seem like the Arnel I barely know. NS is flawed (aren't we all) but he has a lot (MILLIONS) of people's attention. NS wants the road. That is what he know and loves. So GR and the "Journey thru time" thing being able to be done in much bigger arenas and such, makes sense. I agree Neal loves the touring and that is fine. He should do that since that is what he seems to enjoy doing!!! With all the back & forth going on hard to tell if Greg Rolie is going to participate in concert or not. Personally Greg should be there regardless of who wants him there or not. After all there is GREAT music in the era of SP & GR. I loved it when SP & GR sang together!!! They were real good together!!! I'm looking forward to hearing Steve & Dolly Parton's duet together. I think it is wonderful that he did a song with her. |
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Post by icubud on Jan 21, 2023 11:40:57 GMT -5
yeh the Parton-Perry song should be real good
a supposedly inside source in the entertainment world wrote either yesterday or Thursday that:
Michaele Salahi/Neal Schon/Jonathan Cain
This former Housewife who married an a-hole rock star who has been an a-hole since the original days of his California band is trying to become a Housewife again and feels like another bandmate is keeping her from reaching her goals because of their political beliefs. Thus, a war. Don't be surprised if an upcoming tour gets canceled.
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Post by dreamgirl on Jan 22, 2023 1:27:35 GMT -5
yeh the Parton-Perry song should be real good a supposedly inside source in the entertainment world wrote either yesterday or Thursday that: Michaele Salahi/Neal Schon/Jonathan Cain This former Housewife who married an a-hole rock star who has been an a-hole since the original days of his California band is trying to become a Housewife again and feels like another bandmate is keeping her from reaching her goals because of their political beliefs. Thus, a war. Don't be surprised if an upcoming tour gets canceled. Wow, lots of stuff going on behind the scenes for sure for both bandmates. I really don't trust Neal Or Jon. My heart stays with Steve Perry because he has always carried himself in a classy way. This is one of the MANY reasons he is loved so much by all his millions of fans. I think he is better off doing his OWN thing musically. Hey icubud, tomorrow is Steve's Birthday!!! WOOO HOO time for Steve to Party!!! lol. I will be posting my Birthday message to him here on the board. As for the Neal & Jon stuff, it is really not a good thing at all. |
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And Why in the world would Jon go along with it and make that WRONG call to SP. Why didn't Jon do more to "speak up" on SP's behalf back then. I didn't think of Jon being jealous back when all this happened, I kind of thought of him as a person with weak character that he didn't have it in him to "stand up" for his fellow band mate SP. It was easier for him to just "go along" rather than do what was right.