The Tape Debate

[arden]

They're only going to make it worse!!!

Now 20 people who downloaded the clips and saved them are going to start their blog!!! LOL!!! They'll never be able to find them all!!

Yeah, that's much better than making a statement and taking your lumps.

perrynow said:

It's hard to stuff a cat back into a bag once it gets out, but it looks like they are REALLY trying.

[sexxymofo]

Thanks Bill I was at the wrong site also.
d**n my internet timed out since this morning and just know
went back on


WHAT DID I MISS

ftlosm said:

sexxymofo said:

What are the links to this site I tried the smoking gun and all I see is Tom Cruise crap.

You mentioned on your blog that you would tell us tomorrow what was that "big thing" happening. I hate to tell you but here in TEXAS it is 2:AM so spill it

Are you going to
www.smokinggun.com

cuz thats not the same site (it does say something about Tom Cruise)

the site we were talkin about here is

www.thesmokinggun.com
just clearin that up in case it was a mistaken url

If you go to

www.thesmokinggun.com/search/search.html
and search JOURNEY in the Search thesmokinggun
section, if they do post the story then it will show up at the top of that list.

Currently there are backstage requirements for Journey there etc. But nothing about this subject at this time.

[arden]

Looks like about two pages, Sexy! ;D

The files on the blog got blocked...someone posting as "ace" over there is jumping up and down to claim credit for turning Dean in, apparently, they overlooked the few hundred or so people who've copied the clips and saved them!

The Manchester show has now been posted.

Kaj has posted about the deception on his website. Kaj has also posted the post by a Swedish sound guy (see my post a couple pages back)who witnessed what happened there on his website.

Journey, officially, has still said nothing.

There...the Reader's Digest version.

sexxymofo said:

Thanks Bill I was at the wrong site also.
d**n my internet timed out since this morning and just know
went back on


WHAT DID I MISS

ftlosm said:

Are you going to
www.smokinggun.com

cuz thats not the same site (it does say something about Tom Cruise)

the site we were talkin about here is

www.thesmokinggun.com
just clearin that up in case it was a mistaken url

If you go to

www.thesmokinggun.com/search/search.html
and search JOURNEY in the Search thesmokinggun
section, if they do post the story then it will show up at the top of that list.

Currently there are backstage requirements for Journey there etc. But nothing about this subject at this time.

[sexxymofo]

Thanks a bunch Arden for the 411

Is this ACE the guy from MR boards? That mofo is a piece of work

Kaj you are an outstanding citizen!

I just got through reading the blogsite and read the post from that
swedish sound guy and I am STILL very much depressed. I can not beliveve the lengths that Journey (Neal/Jon) would go for Agueri and not for Perry

[rockndeano]

Ok, I have been told that "something" will break in no more than 4 days. You all can guess what it is going to be. This is huge.

Oh, by the way, about DL and them knowing anything about this? Um, I have more dirt on them than I do Journey. They are far worse musically, and morally. I call them Def Lippard.

They should call the tour, "Our lips are sealed" but you can still hear our great classic songs!"

[arden]

This is from Tommy Denander. I find his "it's ok as long as you are entertained" attitude a little disturbing.

forums.melodicrock.com/phorum33/read.php?f=1&i=201544&t=201445

Author: T Denander <http://forums.melodicrock.com/phorum33/profile.php?f=1&id=478> (---.telia.com)
Date: 06-15-06 15:52

I've had 3 mails since yesterday from people close to the band saying they've read this discussion...they confirm that the problems for Steve started on the last tour and that's when they began using his voice on tape....sometimes to fatten up his live vocals, sometimes just for a few harder to sing songs but more and more lately on most songs.....

It takes A LOT of work and pain to change a member...hey what if they guys are best friends and simply don't want to lost him???....should they stop working....stop touring completely....

Of course we love the idea of a band playing 100% live....but it's a SHOW....you pay 11 bucks to be fooled by actors in a movie....or a magician.....and IF you walk away from a rock concert feeling great it's all good.....atleast they seem to "fake" it good enough for all of you to believe it WAS live....

What about Def Leppard's drummer....one arm and plenty of things on tape to make it work.....should they have fired him???

A friend of mine has played with Eagles for many years...most of their vocals are on tape....they don't sing those perfect harmonies live but they sure put on a great show.....

I hope Steve get's his voice in shape for whatever reason it's not working now cause it can't be fun at all for him to go up and feel like he is cheating you....no musician wants that but this is big business and the show must go on!!!!

Tommy

[sexxymofo]

I wholeheartedly agree with you Arden. Why is it ok for ANYONE to LIP SYNC?
I am getting more disgusted by the minute.

Is this the Deander guy whom is supposed to work with Perry? Jesus I don't want him near
Perry with that attitude. Or maybe that's why we haven't heard anything cause Perry wont stand for it!

[arden]

His point is that it is OK with him if he is entertained. He prefers that to hearing a bad performance. I don't.

If they cannot perform live, then I feel their fans should be made aware of it so that they can decide whether or not the price is worth it.

Augeri's only job is to sing. If he isn't doing that, then he should step down not continue to rip off the fans.

It became clear in a couple of interviews by Neal and Jon that they have little respect for their fans. They don't think that they "get it". Apparently, Augeri has no more respect for his fans.

sexxymofo said:

I wholeheartedly agree with you Arden. Why is it ok for ANYONE to LIP SYNC?
I am getting more disgusted by the minute.

Is this the Deander guy whom is supposed to work with Perry? Jesus I don't want him near
Perry with that attitude. Or maybe that's why we haven't heard anything cause Perry wont stand for it!

[sparkle2]

Oh for crying out loud, that's about the dumbest thing I ever heard. Denander's opinion, I mean. If it's so ok to do that, why don't they just wheel the tape machine out front? Then they wouldn't need Augeri at all! I mean he's not exactly a showman, or eye-candy either. Sorry if that sounds mean but it's true. I can listen to pre-recorded music at home for free. Schon would probably die before he'd admit his boy can't cut it, after making such a big deal out of how they're still Journey and don't need Perry.

As for DL, I was always a fan but this great new album is a bunch of lame covers and I am not impressed.

disgusted sparkle's 2 cents...

[properry]

I don't agree with Denanders opinion either. When I go to a concert I'm EXPECTING it to be a LIVE Show, If I wanted to hear a tape, I could just pop in my CD OR DVD and listen & watch the music at home.

It is something very special to be able to SEE & ACTUALLY HEAR the singer/band perform "LIVE " for REAL for the fans, even if it isn't just totally a perfect performance. Mistakes can be made, but so what , you got the singer & the band giving it THEIR ALL to perform for US the fans.

If a singer is having that much trouble with his/her voice that they can't sing, then I rather they cancel the concerts & take the time they need to recover. Then RESCHEDULE the tour when the singer CAN SING & GIVE the fans their best performance. I think more fans would appreciate that, than to be giving a FAKE SHOW.

IF it is that important that the "show must go on", as Denander says, then least be honest about it, let the fans kNOW UP FRONT what is going on, so they can decide to attend or not, (as Arden stated).

Lori

[perrynow]

Well, isn't that exactly what is wrong with the world today? Everything is ok to cheat the paying consumer. It is deception, plain and simple! You are paying for LIVE, you think you're getting LIVE, but you are being deceived. What's that got to do with actors and acting??? If I go to a movie, I know I'm watching an actor. It's supposed to be fake. I know they do all kinds of special effects, tape splicing, overdubs and all that happy crap. Who cares...it's a movie and I know what I'm paying for. Who wants to pay these ridiculous ticket prices to see ANY band who prided themselves almost SOLELY on performing LIVE, lip synch and then cover it up!!! Yes...COVER IT UP. HIDE IT PURPOSELY FROM THEIR FANS. This is the biggest rip-off I've ever encountered. They used to make such a HUGE deal out of how they were better live than in the studio . I couldn't possibly have a lower opinion of them right now. Kevin running sound from BACKstage to cover this up, but worst of all....Cain just said they would tour Europe again next spring and put out a new CD!! Well...what new wonders of Milli Vanilli lip synch technology and studio wizardry will they come up with to pull THAT off? I can still see all the posts from those who said NOOOOOOOOO Augeri wouldn't do THAT and he has too much integrity, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. The entire bunch of them are has-beens who can't write anything decent together to save themselves, can't perform a live gig without smoke and mirrors and then pull out all the stops to do a massive snow-job on the fans. I can just imagine how they will try to spin THIS one now that this has been confirmed by sound techs who witnessed the entire thing. The cat is out of the bag, so they better get the violins out and start the sob-story explanations.
It doesn't matter who is doing this....even if it is the Eagles, it isn't right, but at least Don Henley and Glenn Fry had talent and spent years on the road playing the hits LIVE that they wrote. Augeri is not Don Henley or Glenn Fry. Augeri has been nothing but a blemish on Journey's legacy and this proves that they have all sunk to the lowest place possible to cash in on their yearly greatest hits tour. This is really obscene.

[leducred]

As much as I want to blame Augeri too for all this. Its Neal and Jon who would not wait and made the decision who to hire. Its their own darn fault

s

[perrynow]

There is enough blame to go all the way around. They are all partners in this. Augeri could have said NO, this could damage my reputation and prevent me from doing anything solo or with another band if I wanted to do that. But he didn't say that. He let them turn up the sound on his mic, address the crowd, then roll tape. This has nothing to do with artistry or creativity and certainly nothing to do with honesty. It is about big business, as Tommy Denander admitted. It's about money and how to separate the fans from the contents of their wallets. Neal already lost money on his last venture with JSS, so he isn't going to cancel a few shows or whatever it takes for Augeri to get his act together. Why didn't he just replace him rather than risk ruining their reputation? Is this his version of some newly developed sense of loyalty? Too bad he didn't have that when Perry was having hip problems.

[arden]

Augeri makes the decision every single time to walk out on that stage and fake it. He knows exactly what he is doing. His only job is to sing, and he isn't doing that.

leducred said:

As much as I want to blame Augeri too for all this. Its Neal and Jon who would not wait and made the decision who to hire. Its their own darn fault

s

[Bill]

Listen to that faithfully clip just posted, it is pretty bad...

[perrynow]

The audience had to sing FOR HIM, not WITH HIM when his pre-recorded vocal failed. And gee...he sounded so normal in the first part of the song! Those are some skills.

[sexxymofo]

ftlosm said:

Listen to that faithfully clip just posted, it is pretty bad...

Bad? Bill you are being too kind.
It's a disaster and that's for lack of a better word.

[arden]

Another music site takes a stand.

www.shipwreckislandstudios.com/

» So by now maybe you've heard, then again maybe you haven't. A music fan has been listening to bootlegged Journey material from their new 2006 tour. While doing so this person noticed the material sounded extremely similar to Journey's 2001 Live DVD. The fan then listed to the audio from the DVD and matched it with the current live bootlegs only to find out the lead vocals are identical. Identical as in Journey is playing the lead singer's vocals over the PA during the live show as the lead singer mimic's the material. True? Not True? Well it doesn't come as a shock to us here if this indeed turns out to be true simply because we've seen Journey spiraling downward for the past 2 years.

We waited on posting information as well as our view on the situation because we were hoping that it would just be dropped and go away. But as we've been told, things are going to get heated starting next week. After tons of emails coming to both myself and Jere we decided best to address this before anything else comes out about what's going on within the band Journey. First off we aren't going to reply to anyone's email about this situation because 1. there's a lot of you asking the same questions and 2. the answers will be laid out below as far as what we know.

So the big question is: Do we know anything about the current issues that are floating around stating that lead singer "Steve Augeri" has been lip-syncing material live in concert?

- Answer: In a matter of speaking yes we have some additional information that others are looking into. What exactly would that be? Well first of all we want you to make up your own mind, if you think there's nothing wrong with someone lip-syncing material during a "Concert" then that's good for you. Same goes the other way if you feel that it's wrong to lip-sync during a concert. Either way we aren't holding anything against anyone except when it comes to the band. Our information is slightly different then the other sites out there because it's the things we've seen in the past few years as far as what the band has been up to, when they tour, when they release albums and when they lie to their fans. We'll give a better answer to the big question above last.



So that brings us to our information, it's based in a series of questions for you the fans and then our point of view will be added to the ending.

1. Concert's were filmed for DVD releases, yet the band still hasn't released a new lineup DVD since 2001's Vegas disc why? - According to band member interviews given the past couple years they all seem to say there's lack of "Useable Footage" even Schon himself on Rockline last year mentioned this.

- Our Point Of View: Lack of useable footage? Seriously there's only 2 ways that could be, one is that they had extremely bad cameramen with bad angles and the lighting was junk. Or two the audio mix was extremely bad that even if the video looked good it wasn't useable unless they dubbed the audio in. Oh wait, but didn't they do that on VH1 Classics with Faith In The Heartland? Why yes they did. If you ever watch Vh1 Classics sometimes they show footage from live events, well there's a video of Journey live singing Faith In The Heartland though it's been overdubbed with the studio track and then filtered over with the live crowd in spots. I was disappointed when I saw that video a few months back. Of course the 3rd mystery reason which is a bit farfetched is the fact that maybe they can't release a new dvd because of the whole Perry situation. But that brings up another interesting point.

2. If in theory (as no one knows for sure) Perry controls what the band releases and there's been talk of how the band can't release another DVD with classic songs or even rerecord material then why can shows like American Idol and other bands rerecord Journey classics? - According to some backtalk members as well as mods Perry owns rights to the material and therefore the band can not rerecord things without his permission.

- Our Point Of View: I've been saying that exact question for the past couple years, funny how other bands as well as American Idol can get the rights to rerecord or perform the material but the guys who helped write the material can't get access to make a DVD or even rerecord material if they so choose to if in fact the whole Perry is holding them back theory is true, which I doubt. The way I see it, it's a lack of vision from Neal Schon. He's said he'd like to be a household name so how does he do it? Well he tried to get a band together with Sammy Hagar and Joe Satriani which would have turned many heads and actually was a great idea. But then because Sammy went off to do the Van Halen thing Schon didn't want to wait around thus bring Soul SirkUS into the mix which was a good idea when it started. Schon had a power punched lineup but then it all went to nothing after many many issues, which we are not getting into again on this site - we are over and done with all that. So Schon didn't become a household name, so what did Journey do next? They quickly released Generations which wasn't a great disc and lacked the power punched Journey sound that even Arrival had. Generations like GNR's Use Your Illusions discs is the good, the bad and the ugly of Journey. But wait there's a chance to save the material by touring with Def Leppard this summer? Look I'm all for promoting a product that's what we try and do on the site, give you our point of view on what's being released and then you make the decision to take our advice and purchase the disc or not. But what Journey is doing this summer just doesn't make sense your promoting an album that was released over a year ago not to mention their going to be on Rockline next month no doubt to talk about the tour the ending of Soul SirkUS for the most part anyways and of course their album Generations. Which now leads to our 3rd and final question.

2. Does Steve Augeri lip-syncing his material during concerts? - Well for the past few years there's always been mentions of Augeri losing his voice weather it was him being sick or fan reports saying he didn't sound quite right during a stretch of shows.

- Our Point Of View: You know I wouldn't put it past Journey to use technology to better their concerts. I read some others talking about this subject and how some really didn't care weather Augeri was doing this or not because it's a show like a movie you pay to see something and you take away what you like. I like how that was put forth I think that's a great way to look at this situation. Take away from it what you'd like if you think a concert is like a movie and you pay to be entertained for a few hours and that's all then you shouldn't care how the concert is being performed. Oh but if your a music buff and you dish out a ton of money to sit next to the stage and take in the view of your favorite band or bands and you see them pulling a lip-sync concert you know you wouldn't be happy at all. It's like seeing your favorite superhero come to live only to find out they really don't have super powers. So to sum it all up do we think this is taking place, yes we do, do we care? Yes we do. Why? Because it's wrong, it's one thing to tell fans that your lead singer lost his voice or that he's sick or a true reason but to hide what's going on and lead people on just to make money, I've lost respect for the band the past couple years. Simply because it's not about the music it's about the dollar signs and controlling something that isn't controllable and that's true music fans. True music fans certainly don't sit down and take things up the rear, they fight to know the truth. This is why this information is coming out, true fans are tired of the lies and shelling out cash to see the same show over and over again. They want more, new material that sounds like the original band and bring back those memories of when it was all about the music. So will I buy Journey albums? Yes I will because I still feel the band is strong but like I mentioned about they lack vision and maybe if this all comes out in the open the band can finally move on and get back to what's really important, the music.

So to close this subject we've decided to go ahead and post the blog from the person who brought this all into the open. We will say there's a lot of fowl language on this blog so use your judgment if your a child, please!! There were sound clips available but their being deleted pretty quickly either by fans of Journey or their management. If someone posts this link on Back Talk (Journey's Official Forums) it will be deleted without warning. We are not siding with anyone on this matter, I want to make that clear. We posted our point of view on what has gone on the past 2 years and how we've seen the band spiral downward. You make your own choice as to what you want to believe. We still love this band truly hope that Steve Augeri if there is a vocal issue that he gets some down time, rest would be a good thing.
_

[Bill]

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OVER

[properry]

Isn't it amazing that Journey still has not responded publicly, while this topic is spreading like "wildfire" all over the net, they continue to stay quiet, while "their ship" is sinking.

Lori

[perrynow]

Their ship actually sank years ago and they have been re-inflating the same life raft year after year. Why is it that everyone knows that Neal's lack of direction and leadership (not to mention lack of a frontman who can perform) are their biggest issues. No chemistry is another issue. Hey, they might like to spend time together on a bus, but what the hell does that mean, musically? Nothing!
They can spin this however they want to now that they've been exposed, but they've already taken people's money and covered this up. Nothing they could possibly say can change what they've already done...and continued to do in Europe!

[whycantthisnight]

perrynow said:

Their ship actually sank years ago and they have been re-inflating the same life raft year after year. Why is it that everyone knows that Neal's lack of direction and leadership (not to mention lack of a frontman who can perform) are their biggest issues. No chemistry is another issue. Hey, they might like to spend time together on a bus, but what the hell does that mean, musically? Nothing!
They can spin this however they want to now that they've been exposed, but they've already taken people's money and covered this up. Nothing they could possibly say can change what they've already done...and continued to do in Europe!

Good point Lori.....the CHEMISTRY! Last time I "endured" a Journey concert it seemed to me that Neal looked at Augeri with DISGUST thru the entire concert. It was painful and disjointed, like fingernails on a blackboard!!

I think the shipwreck folks said they thought Journey had been on a downward spiral for a couple of years now....that BEFORE all this broke. Happy to hear someone else think that, especially someone in the business. I would have to say that the downward spiral has been longer than 2 years however......ALOT longer.

[perrynow]

The spin cycle has started on the UNJ laundering machine. BT's front page has a big thank you to the European fans and they are promising a big new tour next year. Do you believe they will just try to continue with this rip off?

[sexxymofo]

So far a few back talkers are still at it arguing with Dean over at MR boards and it is actually getting tiresome how they keep stating it's all about the Perry heads wanting Steve Perry to front Journey again

Do these peole actually think before they speak?
Do they not know that the chances of that ever happening are 0 to ziltch? I mean they should be so lucky if Steve Perry actually gave them the time of day.

I wonder what Andrew has to say about this I can't wait to read it.

And I think they will continue with the fraud as long as there are people who like to get ripped off.

[leducred]

oh yeah we want perry to go back to a bunch of guys who said they dont need him and are doing so fantastic on the road. sure sure. wait if he did go back, then it would show neal and co that they are failures because their ticket and cd sales would go threw the roof!

s

[Bill]

Ok what would these same fans who at first said "NO WAY ITS A LIE" (some of which still say that btw) but now have shifted gears and said "Ok maybe they use a track but I will still stand and defend Steve Augeri he is a class act and a family man" ok....

Lets say for sake of arguement, these same people IF Steve Perry went out and toured and for whatever reason used a track one night would hang and burn him alive from the cross.

I just find that ironic... and sad but true it's exactly how it would all go down, they would no doubt start street teams & mass emailers and shirt wearing chanters outside venues across the USA saying We Want Our Money Back or something silly like that.

[perrynow]

Funny you mentioned that, Bill. I've thought that same thing many times while this has been unfolding. I guess they didn't think this about Augeri because they have lived on that "integrity/white bread family man" approach he portrays. Ok, so he's married and has a kid....so what? Does that make him a vocalist who is accomplished enough to stand on the stage with Neal and Jon? No, it doesn't. Perry wouldn't get himself into a situation like this, because his parents set the example of how to perform and give it everything you have. I think that really stuck with him. If you don't have it, it is best to CANCEL until you can give people what they paid for. It is one thing to honestly struggle at one show and then cancel the next few if your issues are not yet resolved. It is something else to lip synch and take people's ticket money anyway. If it costs you money, well....TOUGH! These performers still have enough money to take their lumps if they have to....alot more cash than the general ticket buying public. Do you remember one of Augeri's last interviews where he said that some nights he's the "king", some nights the "prince" and some the "pauper"....but he wants to be king every night? Well, hell, alot of people want to be Elvis and line up in Vegas to try to do that. If your skill level is not up to the task, and nobody cares enough about the Journey name to show you your walking papers, then you should enough sense to step down....at LEAST long enough to resolve all your voice issues. It's one thing to have all the best vocal coaches try to help you, but if you can't cut it night after night, why not have enough integrity to stop, instead of making people believe you are performing and sounding just like their DVD??? Deen's "listen to this guy....he's Steve Perry with a perm" has really come back to haunt them. Those Augeri supporters would burn Perry at the stake if he pulled this. Yeah....right....can you imagine Perry miming his Strange Medicine concerts? He would have been roasted on a SPIT! His respect for his audience always drew us in and he realized that.

[properry]

The BT fans have resorted to bringing Perry into the issue because they can't come up with anything else to say to effectively defend Augeri & the band's disgraceful actions for using backup tapes & lip synching at concerts.

And hey, I don't want Perry back in Journey because I feel he would not be happy performing with those guys anymore. I want Perry to be HAPPY & do his OWN thing musically!!!

Besides Perry has told the fans that he does NOT want to perform with Journey. We Perry fans got that!!! So for any of those BT fans that think this is to get Perry back in Journey... they are so wrong & way off base on that one!!!

And yea, you can bet IF Perry lipp synched these BT fans would be all over Perry & tear him apart VERBALLY for it. We know that Perry would NEVER give that kind of "cheap performance" to his fans because HE always gives his BEST to the fans.... that is one of the reasons why Perry is "SO respected" & held in such "high regard" by all his fans to this very day & always wil be. He has our support forever!!

All this falls on Augeri & the band, they did this to THEMSELVES, they are the ones who are responsible for this, it has nothing to do with Perry!

Lori

[arden]

Here's another music journalist taking a stand.

www.daveling.co.uk/diary.htm

Saturday 17th June
Still ploughing through the mountain of emails that arrived while I was offline. One of the most interesting and indeed disturbing is from a fella called Dean (thanks also to Mel Dalley, who forwarded the same link). It is being alleged that the reason for Steve Augeri's awesome vocal performance on Journey's European tour is that he was lipsynching all along. It's being claimed that the band used recordings from a Las Vegas DVD 2001 show to fatten out the sound, not to mention patch over throat problems Augeri experienced on the group's US dates. If there's any truth to these rumours, I am aghast. From my spot less than 20 feet from the stage at Manchester Apollo there was no sign of any cheating. And yet somebody named Svante Pettersson who worked for Swedish radio at this year's Sweden Rock Festival insists that "Augeri could not sing at all", his voice "constantly out of tune when he tried to reach the high parts" when heard from a truck recording the show, while out front "the vocals sounded terrific". There are also soundclips of the same song recorded in different venues in which Augeri's vocals are identical, yet the music sounds different. This would mean that the band have been pulling the wool over our eyes for years. Frankly, I find it all difficult to take seriously. But I'm in agreement with Dean, who insists Journey should own up to what they're doing should the allegations have foundation, and that some sort of official response has become a matter of importance.

[arden]

Bill, these same people HAVE been hanging and burning Perry from the cross every chance they get. They are constantly proclaiming that Perry can't sing anymore or can't hit the high notes. Some of their comments have been particularly nasty...even libelous.

Now that it's coming to light that Augeri is the one that can't hit the high notes, they are scrambling to make the information a Perry conspiracy!! I believe that they are completely mistaken in their thoughts on how widespread this topic has become.

It isn't just Perry fans that believe the lip syncing rumours as much as the Augeri faithful would like you to believe. In fact, it seems to be the same handful of 6-8 Perry haters that have descended on the Crock who are trying desperately to divert attention away from the issue and make it a Perry conspiracy that have offered NOT ONE credible piece of information to disprove the lip syncing allegations.

With that kind of mentality amongst their fans, there's no question how they have been able to fool them for two years.

ftlosm said:

Lets say for sake of arguement, these same people IF Steve Perry went out and toured and for whatever reason used a track one night would hang and burn him alive from the cross.

I just find that ironic... and sad but true it's exactly how it would all go down, they would no doubt start street teams & mass emailers and shirt wearing chanters outside venues across the USA saying We Want Our Money Back or something silly like that.