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Post by Bill on Jun 22, 2006 15:24:59 GMT -5
I thought something big was to break on this, Deano whats the news?
Has the Smoking Gun, Stern Show or anyone else shown interest?
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Post by arden on Jun 22, 2006 15:35:02 GMT -5
Hey, Bill... IMO, Journey's continued silence on this means the spin machine is in overdrive and lawyers are probably involved. There's just NO WAY that they can cancel this tour with this short notice. They would get sued by the promoters. At this point, they would be risking lawsuits by angry fans and promoters if they try to pull propping Augeri up there with an oversized mic and "roll tape". So, what other choices do they have? Augeri's voice just isn't going to cut it. Are they going to admit what they are doing and let the fans make an informed decision about spending their money on tickets to a taped show?? There's NO WAY Perry is going to pull their asses out of this. I thought something big was to break on this, Deano whats the news? Has the Smoking Gun, Stern Show or anyone else shown interest? |
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Post by Bill on Jun 22, 2006 15:37:18 GMT -5
Do you guys think Journey is really at home scrambling over all this?
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Post by arden on Jun 22, 2006 15:40:24 GMT -5
I think their publicist and their lawyers are!!! ;D Do you guys think Journey is really at home scrambling over all this? |
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Post by perrynow on Jun 22, 2006 17:46:23 GMT -5
Bill asked:
"Do you guys think Journey is really at home scrambling over all this?"
Definitely! There is alot going on in that entire circus right now, IMO. Sniff...sniff....Is that cooked goose I smell?? LOL
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Post by arden on Jun 22, 2006 17:51:37 GMT -5
I agree, PN!! There would have to be. For Journey to not address this, or worse still, to go on with "business" as usual would prove how little respect they have for their fans. Neal and Jon have already given interviews showing what they think of their fans. They won't even go to BT!! Claim their fans "Don't get it". Well, I guess this will prove it. Bill asked: "Do you guys think Journey is really at home scrambling over all this?" Definitely! There is alot going on in that entire circus right now, IMO. Sniff...sniff....Is that cooked goose I smell?? LOL |
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Post by Bill on Jun 22, 2006 18:10:25 GMT -5
I did notice the blog has over 10,000 hits at this point, but I wonder how much of that is just repeat viewers going in each day.
Guess with no real news from Journey on this and no larger news organizations taking up the story - I wonder if anyone (besides some fans hearing it) are even listening...(or caring) since for some strange reason there were all these people saying no way it happened, not Augeri etc then suddenly tides have shifted with some still saying that others saying they will still support and go see them/him even if he is using a backing/ehancement track (which makes no sense to me), but just seems like it almost doesn't matter to the news folks who have been told about it and even to the fans who know but then say they will still support the new lineup.
My knowing about it won't make any difference cuz I wouldn't see them before all this and I still won't see them (just no interest before or after the lip thing).
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Post by properry on Jun 22, 2006 19:25:54 GMT -5
I find it really strange that those fans that are accepting Augeri's lip synching now are some of the same fans that "knocked Perry" for his voice just changing to a "lower mature sound", which is rediculous,since Perry CAN SING & SINGS just as BEAUTIFUL in lower key , as he did in the 80's.
Then there is Augeri who is having major difficulties with his voice, so much of a problem, that he has to lip synch , but those fans are still willing to accept him & pay LOTS of money to see their singer "fake it" on stage. That just sounds crazy to me!!!
I had seen Augeri ONCE & that was enough for me, I thought he was just an ok singer, nothing special like Perry, so I certainly won't pay money to see him fake it on stage, that is just totally wrong way to perform for fans.
As for Perry, I will continue to keep supporting whatever HE wants to do & wants to give to his fans. I KNOW HE performs REAL on stage & always gives his fans his best performance.
I greatly admire & appreciate that about Perry!!!
Lori
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Post by perrynow on Jun 22, 2006 22:01:06 GMT -5
Just read this in Delcotimes.com (a PA newspaper)
"Journey, on the other hand, couldn't be in worse shape. The bottom line is fans are still clamoring for a reunion with erstwhile vocalist Steve Perry while sound-alike and curly-haired look-alike Steve Augeri is doing his best as a karaoke replacement. And according to recent rumors, even that aspect may not be going so well.
Reports are that Augeri hasn't exactly been singing live. It's not lip-syncing mind you, but the charge is that he has had some assistance in reaching the high notes his predecessor made so famous in the '80s on monster hits like "Faithfully" and "Open Arms."
Rock Music Menu isn't a huge fan of Journey to begin with; the music the band produced is dated, as is its popularity. You don't see anyone singing "Don't Stop Believin'" unless it's done ironically, or they have a mullet and drive an IROC.
Whether Augeri is innocent or guilty is not the point; if you are going to trot out a nostalgia-fest in front of paying customers, at least do right by them - bring in the original singer if he is ready and willing."
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Post by Bill on Jun 23, 2006 8:11:24 GMT -5
Anyone heard from Deano as to what radio stations he interviewed with? Curious too that the BT thread was like 98% Pro-Augeri and was still closed/locked saying lets concentrate on the tour...
Glad to at least see the hotel thread here with folks speaking their opinons without all the deleted posts, locked threads, etc.
Curious after tonights show what kinda reports come back good or bad... I am sure it will only be 1 out of 5000 that know about this blog at that concert but as the tour goes on I bet the number increases show by show.
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Post by gwenied on Jun 23, 2006 8:15:52 GMT -5
I find it really strange that those fans that are accepting Augeri's lip synching now are some of the same fans that "knocked Perry" for his voice just changing to a "lower mature sound", which is rediculous,since Perry CAN SING & SINGS just as BEAUTIFUL in lower key , as he did in the 80's. Then there is Augeri who is having major difficulties with his voice, so much of a problem, that he has to lip synch , but those fans are still willing to accept him & pay LOTS of money to see their singer "fake it" on stage. That just sounds crazy to me!!! I had seen Augeri ONCE & that was enough for me, I thought he was just an ok singer, nothing special like Perry, so I certainly won't pay money to see him fake it on stage, that is just totally wrong way to perform for fans. As for Perry, I will continue to keep supporting whatever HE wants to do & wants to give to his fans. I KNOW HE performs REAL on stage & always gives his fans his best performance. I greatly admire & appreciate that about Perry!!! Lori I Agree Lori, Steve Perry is and always will be!!!!! |
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Post by icubud on Jun 23, 2006 19:20:39 GMT -5
I find it really strange that those fans that are accepting Augeri's lip synching now are some of the same fans that "knocked Perry" for his voice just changing to a "lower mature sound", which is rediculous,since Perry CAN SING & SINGS just as BEAUTIFUL in lower key , as he did in the 80's. Then there is Augeri who is having major difficulties with his voice, so much of a problem, that he has to lip synch , but those fans are still willing to accept him & pay LOTS of money to see their singer "fake it" on stage. That just sounds crazy to me!!! I had seen Augeri ONCE & that was enough for me, I thought he was just an ok singer, nothing special like Perry, so I certainly won't pay money to see him fake it on stage, that is just totally wrong way to perform for fans. As for Perry, I will continue to keep supporting whatever HE wants to do & wants to give to his fans. I KNOW HE performs REAL on stage & always gives his fans his best performance. I greatly admire & appreciate that about Perry!!! Lori Exactly! And not just the "fans" but NS, JC, and RV. I would love to know what SP thinks about all this. I am sure of one thing - he would hope his fans and JOURNEY fans would stay above the fray and not enjoy what is happening because like it or not --- it tarnishes the image of THE band that we all love and loved so much. |
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Post by arden on Jun 23, 2006 19:31:56 GMT -5
Sadly, it appears that Journey doesn't have enough respect for their fans to even address this issue which speaks volumes to me. The only response has been to try to shut the topic down where ever they can with meritless threats and bullying. I would love to know what Steve Perry thinks as well, especially when many claim that it doesn't matter that the songs that Perry put his heart and soul into creating are now being faked by his successor. I'm still hoping that Perry can put a stop to it. It more than tarnishes a great band...it makes a complete mockery of it. I also can't understand how Steve Augeri can look himself in the mirror after walking out on that stage and deceiving fhis fans night after night when he claims that Perry was his inspiration. I find it really strange that those fans that are accepting Augeri's lip synching now are some of the same fans that "knocked Perry" for his voice just changing to a "lower mature sound", which is rediculous,since Perry CAN SING & SINGS just as BEAUTIFUL in lower key , as he did in the 80's. Then there is Augeri who is having major difficulties with his voice, so much of a problem, that he has to lip synch , but those fans are still willing to accept him & pay LOTS of money to see their singer "fake it" on stage. That just sounds crazy to me!!! I had seen Augeri ONCE & that was enough for me, I thought he was just an ok singer, nothing special like Perry, so I certainly won't pay money to see him fake it on stage, that is just totally wrong way to perform for fans. As for Perry, I will continue to keep supporting whatever HE wants to do & wants to give to his fans. I KNOW HE performs REAL on stage & always gives his fans his best performance. I greatly admire & appreciate that about Perry!!! Lori Exactly! And not just the "fans" but NS, JC, and RV. I would love to know what SP thinks about all this. I am sure of one thing - he would hope his fans and JOURNEY fans would stay above the fray and not enjoy what is happening because like it or not --- it tarnishes the image of THE band that we all love and loved so much. |
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Post by arden on Jun 24, 2006 1:00:33 GMT -5
Well, the story has definitly hit the mainstream media. I just heard the late night DJ on KLOS 95.5 in Los Angeles talk about the lip synching allegations, even gave Dean's blog addy. This was after playing a block of Classic Journey. He started by saying, "Gee, I hope we don't have another Milli Vanilli."
The reviews from the Camden show are reporting that Steve was "under the weather", "their show wasn't the best", one guy who argued that they weren't lipping has now said that they are. He said they were more live than in recent shows, but that Augeri did have help. Deen is also reported to have "helped" both Augeri and Jon with the high notes!!!
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Post by sexxymofo on Jun 24, 2006 3:12:39 GMT -5
GEE, seems Augeri has been "under the weather" since oh, I don't know 2003 ( that's a long time to be ill)  As there have been people who've noticed the lipping way back then!  |
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Post by gwenied on Jun 24, 2006 7:08:25 GMT -5
I, like many others wonder whats going through Steve Perry's mind when all of this hit the mainstream? its got to be mixed emotion..................
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Post by lecalla on Jun 24, 2006 13:41:52 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this lip synch issue will affect the whole history of the band. There will be people digging in archives trying to discern if Gregg or Steve Perry ever lipped a concert. Their whole career as a band, no matter the era, will be under the microscope if it isn't already.
I'm sure if Steve knows about this, he's thinking about it. What a tragedy all of this is for the legacy of that band.
Lee
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Post by properry on Jun 24, 2006 13:54:54 GMT -5
Yea, I wonder too what Perry is thinking about all this??
I can only presume ( NOT knowing this for sure) that he "might" be concerned about what HE & the guys BUILT together in "his time period" with Journey. And that is totally understandable that he would not want to see ALL that they accomplished together fall to pieces. I can understand, IF he feels that way, again not saying I know how he feels for sure, just MY own wild guess on this.
Anyways my own personal opinion is that nothing could ever "tear down" the Journey WITH Perry for ME, because I will ALWAYS have a "high regard" & "love" for THAT time period of Journey. Nothing that happens with this "current line up" NOW will ever change my view of the Journey I love, and that is MY Journey with Perry!!
Hey I also read over at Melodicrock.com on the 'front page" that the RE-Mastered Journey Cd's are coming out in August & have some bonuses on them too. Go read & check it out. I certainly plan on getting theses new remastered cd's in August. I hope others do too.
Lori
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Post by perrynow on Jun 24, 2006 14:47:37 GMT -5
Lee said:
"Their whole career as a band, no matter the era, will be under the microscope if it isn't already.
I'm sure if Steve knows about this, he's thinking about it. What a tragedy all of this is for the legacy of that band."
I do think most people who were classic fans and people in the industry know that Perry was as real as a performer gets. He was/is respected for his art. He has said that his time in the band is locked into that certain timeframe and he has been ardent about saying he isn't going back. I'm sure he would feel something about this situation, but my guess would be an "I DID ask you all not to do this" type of thought. Don't crack the stone really takes on a more poignant meaning now. I think this debacle totally reflects on the current line-up and just makes Perry's time with the band more appreciated and newsworthy. And on that happy note...bring on those remasters and bonus songs, although I'm really waiting for his solo remasters more than anything else.
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Post by properry on Jun 25, 2006 11:35:59 GMT -5
Hmmm I wonder, do you think that the "Don't crack the stone" remark has crossed Neal & Jon's mind a lot lately with all that is happening now?? And oh YES, YES, I'll take those solo remasters too!!!  Perrry is and always will be greatly appreciated, not only for his incredible singing abilities & outstanding performances, but for All the other "real nice things" he does for the fans too!!! Lori |
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Post by Bill on Jun 25, 2006 21:35:42 GMT -5
http://forums.melodicrock.com:/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17223&sid=372de0d7d40ae79b73e43a2fb0c99564 This is from a thread at MR made by Deano, ANYONE NEAR CHICAGO THAT CAN TAPE THIS!?!? ---------- Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: You Wanted It, You Got It. Radio Tomorrow, LIVE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone in Iowa, or Illinois? 100,000 watt Q106 will have me on at 800AM. Was told Chicago and St. Louis can pick it up. The 2Dorks show. You can find their site on www.2Dorks.com www.2dorks.com/gallery/2006/journey/index.asp Sorry, no streaming, but they will send me a copy of the interview after it's over. Should be intersting. _________________ www.Escape-to-tape.blogspot.com |
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Post by kaj on Jun 26, 2006 2:48:20 GMT -5
Journey friends.
I must say that this subject has taken a lot of positive energy and put into negative energy the last weeks,my job at melodic.net has suffered from it and my faith in the band has a huge thorn in the side.
This isn´t why I´m into music,and now it seems that Deano is walking over dead bodies to claim his right.
He has posted the link to the Live promo video of Faith in the heartland on his blog page and I watched it twice,sorry folks but Augeri isn´t lipping this one,Deano´s wrong.
He sure sang it live and perhaps he overdubbed it after but if you look at Deen Castronovo,he don´t wear any headphones which is a must if you´re gonna play to a click track with taped lead vocals in the PA system.
It´s impossible to play against a sequencer or other recorded stuff if you don´t use click track in your ears.
I think Deano is taking this a little too far,I´m not saying he was wrong in the first place but this whole thing is starting to look like someone who putting evidence at a crime scene just to get the killer behind bars.
I´m into Journey and will forever be but I need to have some positive energy in my body now to continue as a human being and enjoy some good ol music.
We all agree on one thing,this will only hurt the band in the long run and I don´t want people to remember Journey as the band who lipped their way through the concerts.
Unless the band makes an official statement about this matter,I think Deano should stop all accusations coz he hasn´t got anything new to present other than his boots all over again.
I´m getting the Sweden Rock Festival gig on cdr this week and if I hear something that proves Augeri was really singing,I will fight for the band - otherwise my articles of this subject at melodic.net ends here.
Yours truly/ KAJ
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Post by Bill on Jun 26, 2006 10:02:31 GMT -5
This sorta brings me back to the VH1 Journey episode, before that always loved the band and thought they were a tight crew, watched it and was somehow bummed at how the band had all the fighting and backstabbing going on (always thought it was ironic to hear great music, excellent chorus between them all and now know they wanted to take each others heads off). I do have to say for a while after the VH1 thing listening to the older Journey stuff I grew up on had a new light to it (thinking mid song about them not getting along etc), but I still love those old tunes and jam to them daily... Just sorta like when you start to grow up and realize there isn't a Santa Claus and the world isn't perfect and full of nice honest good hearted people (altho there are many out there). Anyways this newer lineup (almost 10 yrs now) but the newest formation of Journey (even the Perry era was a new evolution and needs to be seen as such) has this whole lip thing being at least discussed and again it brings that bitter taste back of "what if its true", I am not a big follower of the newer lineup but I am still a big fan of the music and of Neals Guitar Playing (doesn't mean I like his attitude, personality etc) but I do like his sound and playing alot. For me the music is an escape, having all that stuff in my head now (vh1, this newest lip thing, hh interview etc) did cloud it for a moment but I do still enjoy the stuff I grew up on and am interested in the band in general so I for one just wanna know the truth of it all. I made it thru the Vh1 thing and still enjoy the music, I wanna know about this lip thing, and once it has been proven or disproven again I will make it thru that too, I don't go jump on the blog every moment and read every reply comment and dwell on it, we hit the park, the pool, watch cartoons (remember im a stay at home dad here) and in the car or at the pool I always have a Journey cd on and still enjoy it, I guess what I am saying is even tho I don't go see the new lineup if this exists and involves Journey the one band I grew up with and still to this day say is my favorite band, I want to know the truth thats all, I can handle it and still not let it bring me down when i listen to my Infinity or Evolution cd etc, just wanna know the truth of it al and then move on. Sorry things have bummed ya out on the whole matter Kaj and hope to still see ya in the other posts or forums having fun cuz thats still a big part of me being a fan, havin fun meeting other fans, etc, this recent thing yeah I wanna know but after it passes (and it will one way or another) then its just still a fun place to come chat and all the time that is going on the cd player will be jammin to some journey as it has for me for 20+ years. Bill |
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Post by icubud on Jun 26, 2006 17:00:20 GMT -5
Not to be a putz - but about time! Honestly I think it is a shame that this thread is the biggest/most active thread on PPH. We have a whole section set up (Recollections) to share POSITIVE things about SP and the music and I gotta "pull teeth" to get someone to post. CHA! Not to mention the board itself! I have been wanting to say "What the...!?" But I know some people here will feel I am trying to squelch the voices, censor, etc. - that is not the case. I too was completely decimated after the VH1 BTM and HH CB interview. All thoughts of "brothers of music" that SP mentions in his "Anyway" song was destroyed. BUT - BUT- I got through it because: THE MUSIC IS BIGGER THAN THE EGOS, FIGHTING, JEALOUSY, ETC. THE MUSIC IS POSITIVE!  No doubt things are amiss but how many posts are required to state the same thing over and over and over... when no news - REAL - FACTUAL news is occurring. And - what is really detrimental to the revelations is throwing in stuff that is not true. SHAME on YOU if "you" are doing that deliberately! shew! I feel better. Moving on.... Dang - I gotta have some ice cream now.  |
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Post by properry on Jun 26, 2006 17:30:49 GMT -5
Yes, it is the music that matters here!!! I continue to keep playing & LOVING my music, regardless of the issues going on with the current line up of Journey.
In fact all afternoon yesterday was spent playing in the pool & rocking to Perry's solo music with my daughter! We had a blast!! Except now I'm sun burned, lol!
Lori
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Post by arden on Jun 26, 2006 19:08:45 GMT -5
OK. Looks I might be the party pooper. The presence of and the length of this thread should be an indicator of the interest in the subject. There have been close to 3000 reads...someone is interested. It should also not hinder anyone from starting their own thread on another topic. The topic has remained in this thread and has not been allowed to take over this forum. If you are not interested in or are tired and bored with the subject, you are free to pass it by. The Hotel has always allowed something for everyone...discussion, off-topic and recollections all have their place. Not everyone...myself included...feel comfortable with cyber parties and sharing of personal information and personal experiences on an internet board just as some are not interested in or comfortable with discussion threads. The Hotel has allowed a place for everything in a pro Perry environment. We have never shied away from controversy, and I don't think we should start now. I have seen this topic shut down in several places...including Perry boards just in time for the start of the concert tour...which I feel is a little suspect in itself. I do NOT want that to happen here. We have had the most civil discussion I have seen anywhere. This has been a place where news items, articles, and links have been posted and discussed. To my knowledge AT NO TIME has anything been thrown in that is not true, if you have information to the contrary, please point it out. We have reviewed the facts available and discussed our feelings on it. This is the hottest topic on the Journey/Perry boards at this time. Other music boards I have visited are even talking about it. The subject is now in the mainstream media. I have heard it broadcast myself. Legitimate fan reviews of the concerts indicate that things are not as rosy as some would like us to believe...from DL fans as well as Journey fans. Sound and vocal issues continue. Lead vocals being sung by other band members. One strange review on the "official" site recounted how touched Augeri was when the crowd sang Open Arms back to him...the band didn't even do Open Arms. What most seem to want is the truth. Fans of Journey past and present derserve that. The band has refused to give any statement at all which to me is very suspect. We all know Neal's penchant for going off on anyone spreading anything that he construes as false...why no comment on something this big??? At the very least the cloud of doubt will continue to follow Journey until a statement is made or until they resolve whatever problems they are having with their singer. I believe at this point there is no doubt that there are significant problems that need to be addressed. This isn't a dance based band or a pretty boy band...this is Journey...a band with a 30 year legacy famous for it's soaring vocals....not it's prerecorded vocals. Whatever the "norm" has become regarding the use of tapes in concert, IMO, it will NEVER be acceptable for them to be used as a crutch for the lead singer. The fact that Journey and their managment has tried to just sweep this whole matter under the carpet in the hopes that enough people will just forget about it...to say nothing of the orchestrated attempts by the current lineup camp to shut down or disrupt the discussion of this topic...is the ultimate slap in the face to people who have loved this band for thirty years. If anyone accepts that slap in the face, the shame is on you. Not to be a putz - but about time! Honestly I think it is a shame that this thread is the biggest/most active thread on PPH. We have a whole section set up (Recollections) to share POSITIVE things about SP and the music and I gotta "pull teeth" to get someone to post. CHA! Not to mention the board itself! I have been wanting to say "What the...!?" But I know some people here will feel I am trying to squelch the voices, censor, etc. - that is not the case. I too was completely decimated after the VH1 BTM and HH CB interview. All thoughts of "brothers of music" that SP mentions in his "Anyway" song was destroyed. BUT - BUT- I got through it because: THE MUSIC IS BIGGER THAN THE EGOS, FIGHTING, JEALOUSY, ETC. THE MUSIC IS POSITIVE! No doubt things are amiss but how many posts are required to state the same thing over and over and over... when no news - REAL - FACTUAL news is occurring. And - what is really detrimental to the revelations is throwing in stuff that is not true. SHAME on YOU if "you" are doing that deliberately! shew! I feel better. Moving on.... Dang - I gotta have some ice cream now. |
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Post by icubud on Jun 26, 2006 20:43:42 GMT -5
OK. Looks I might be the party pooper. The presence of and the length of this thread should be an indicator of the interest in the subject. There have been close to 3000 reads...someone is interested. It should also not hinder anyone from starting their own thread on another topic. The topic has remained in this thread and has not been allowed to take over this forum. If you are not interested in or are tired and bored with the subject, you are free to pass it by. The Hotel has always allowed something for everyone...discussion, off-topic and recollections all have their place. Not everyone...myself included...feel comfortable with cyber parties and sharing of personal information and personal experiences on an internet board just as some are not interested in or comfortable with discussion threads. The Hotel has allowed a place for everything in a pro Perry environment. We have never shied away from controversy, and I don't think we should start now. I have seen this topic shut down in several places...including Perry boards just in time for the start of the concert tour...which I feel is a little suspect in itself. I do NOT want that to happen here. We have had the most civil discussion I have seen anywhere. This has been a place where news items, articles, and links have been posted and discussed. To my knowledge AT NO TIME has anything been thrown in that is not true, if you have information to the contrary, please point it out. We have reviewed the facts available and discussed our feelings on it. This is the hottest topic on the Journey/Perry boards at this time. Other music boards I have visited are even talking about it. The subject is now in the mainstream media. I have heard it broadcast myself. Legitimate fan reviews of the concerts indicate that things are not as rosy as some would like us to believe...from DL fans as well as Journey fans. Sound and vocal issues continue. Lead vocals being sung by other band members. One strange review on the "official" site recounted how touched Augeri was when the crowd sang Open Arms back to him...the band didn't even do Open Arms. What most seem to want is the truth. Fans of Journey past and present derserve that. The band has refused to give any statement at all which to me is very suspect. We all know Neal's penchant for going off on anyone spreading anything that he construes as false...why no comment on something this big??? At the very least the cloud of doubt will continue to follow Journey until a statement is made or until they resolve whatever problems they are having with their singer. I believe at this point there is no doubt that there are significant problems that need to be addressed. This isn't a dance based band or a pretty boy band...this is Journey...a band with a 30 year legacy famous for it's soaring vocals....not it's prerecorded vocals. Whatever the "norm" has become regarding the use of tapes in concert, IMO, it will NEVER be acceptable for them to be used as a crutch for the lead singer. The fact that Journey and their managment has tried to just sweep this whole matter under the carpet in the hopes that enough people will just forget about it...to say nothing of the orchestrated attempts by the current lineup camp to shut down or disrupt the discussion of this topic...is the ultimate slap in the face to people who have loved this band for thirty years. If anyone accepts that slap in the face, the shame is on you. Not to be a putz - but about time! Honestly I think it is a shame that this thread is the biggest/most active thread on PPH. We have a whole section set up (Recollections) to share POSITIVE things about SP and the music and I gotta "pull teeth" to get someone to post. CHA! Not to mention the board itself! I have been wanting to say "What the...!?" But I know some people here will feel I am trying to squelch the voices, censor, etc. - that is not the case. I too was completely decimated after the VH1 BTM and HH CB interview. All thoughts of "brothers of music" that SP mentions in his "Anyway" song was destroyed. BUT - BUT- I got through it because: THE MUSIC IS BIGGER THAN THE EGOS, FIGHTING, JEALOUSY, ETC. THE MUSIC IS POSITIVE! No doubt things are amiss but how many posts are required to state the same thing over and over and over... when no news - REAL - FACTUAL news is occurring. And - what is really detrimental to the revelations is throwing in stuff that is not true. SHAME on YOU if "you" are doing that deliberately! shew! I feel better. Moving on.... Dang - I gotta have some ice cream now. Your over reacting - no one said anything about shutting this board down or anything like that. We (I) are (am) entitled to voice our opinion(s) as well. I did not, Bill did not, kaj did not, properry did not say anything about any conversation here be uncivil. GADS!Apparently I need to clarify my remarks so as to nip this in the bud. My remarks were and are my opinion. Bill - I was not slapping or insulting you. Arden - ditto. What I am saying is: I wish this whole thing was more positive. Similiar to the remarks by KAJ and Bill (which I assume are getting IM too). There is nothing wrong with saying that or feeling that way. My example of Recollections and positive stories to share was ONE example of SP news/info/conversation that would be POSITIVE. I understand some people are not into sharing something they may feel as "touchy feely" (for lack of a better phrase/word at the moment) --- and those people are not being singled out in my comment for not doing so. Honestly - what is so wrong with wishing that our SP board that the main topic and most active thread was about something positive? What is so freaking horrible to feel that way?  The statement I made about weaving lies or untruths has nothing to do with an hidden agenda or secret daggers aimed at posters here. (Hopefully they would not post here.) What my remark was reiterating and "amening" kaj about was his alluding to someone (I believe it was Deano) who he felt was stating something of another instance as proof of the lip sync. That got me thinking about how people when they are in trouble of expose begin to weave falsehoods in the truth to corrupt the truth and in the end lessen the impact when they are finally called on the carpet. That is exactly what was going on in my mind. Now - if someone is doing that - shame on them. If someone learns that someone is doing that - expose them! What is wrong with pointing that out? Nothing. Too often people get swept up and start believing everything if it fits the conclusion that has been agreed on ---- ex. subjourney is lip syncing in their concerts. So another example thrown on the heap of evidence must be true. NO - not necessarily and that is exactly what KAJ was pointing out and I definitely agree. |
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Post by happycamper on Jun 26, 2006 21:13:24 GMT -5
I'm with you kaj! Talk about beating a dead horse.
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Post by arden on Jun 26, 2006 21:54:29 GMT -5
What I am failing to understand here is why people who are tired of the discussion feel compelled to even open the thread. Particularly if you have not even participated in the discussion to start with.
Effectively, all you've accomplished is hijacking a thread that has been going very smoothly for over a week. What has prevented you from starting other topics?? Why enter a thread just to tell people you are tired of the thread???
This is one thread. It has not taken over this forum.
I completely agree that any untruths should be exposed. I'm glad Kaj offered his view on that clip. I have to ask about the headphones..don't they wear earpiece monitors now rather than wearing headphones?
As to the positivity or lack there of...there just isn't any positive spin to put on what is being alledged here that I can see.
I don't feel that people who are interested in how everything turns out or want the truth to be told or just to check in and share any info they have should be lectured or insulted because someone else wants to change the subject.
No one is being prevented from discussing other topics. You only need to start your own thread to do so.
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