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Post by rockndeano on Jun 26, 2006 22:50:24 GMT -5
Awwww, Kaj, Not so fast. Kaj is wrong.
That video, is my strongest evidence yet. That video is 100% lipped, not from generations but another track left on the cutting room floor. How do I know> it is identical to Toronto, paso Robles, Greek, Beacon(NY) and Houston. How do I know. I had an audio expert do the work today. Why did I waste my time on this video? Because this video is an "OFFICIAL RELEASE" from the band. That tends to hold up more in Court, if you know what I mean.
Kaj, if you want to drop the ball, and get cold feet, and act like a little girl and run away, I could care less. I was on three radio stations today, and many more this week. If Journey thinks I am going to roll over like a scared mutt, they are sorely mistaken.
Folks, don't let these rich as*holes roll over people. I am fighting for you, the average person and the money paying concert fan.
This crap needs to end. For Augeri to praise and respect Perry on album cover notes, and then mime his songs...NO WAY.
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Post by properry on Jun 26, 2006 23:02:40 GMT -5
Hey Arden,
I don't have a problem discussing this topic at all. I can go with the flow of the board either way. You are right in saying that this topic is only ONE thread & any one who is not interested in it can make another topic, or go to a different thread that interest them more.
I also agree with you that the band needs to RESPOND Publicly. The longer the band lets this go, the HARDER it will be for them to explain this to the fans. This topic is all over the net & radio!
In the past Neal would publicly jump on fans any time he didn't like what was being said, for far less important issues, than this big issue here. This effects the bands reputation for what THEY do for a living, so this is the time for them to respond to the fans, not stay silent.
I recall many times being told by Neal's supporter on another board that this is just the way is, "Neal speaks his mind", so by Neal being silent, it makes me think it is true, because He is not defending himself or the band like he has always done in the past.
Again, I have no problem talking about this topic with those who WANT to & I can go with the fun positve stuff too.
Lori
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Post by Bill on Jun 26, 2006 23:09:30 GMT -5
I like this thread  Evil Strawberry likes it too... he told me so himself after he said I couldn't have the strawberry. Seriously tho the thread is news about a band we all have enjoyed (despite what evolution of the band it was in or is in) its still JOURNEY the one we all grew up on, so if nothing else I am here to read up and see what if anything happens changes etc. Bill |
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Post by Bill on Jun 26, 2006 23:12:08 GMT -5
GREAT POINT In the past Neal would publicly jump on fans any time he didn't like what was being said, for far less important issues, than this big issue here. This effects the bands reputation for what THEY do for a living, so this is the time for them to respond to the fans, not stay silent. I recall many times being told by Neal's supporter on another board that this is just the way is, "Neal speaks his mind", so by Neal being silent, it makes me think it is true, because He is not defending himself or the band like he has always done in the past. Again, I have no problem talking about this topic with those who WANT to & I can go with the fun positve stuff too. Lori |
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Post by arden on Jun 26, 2006 23:17:10 GMT -5
I agree!! It seems a very strange time for him to go suddenly silent. The Rockline interview was also cancelled. It is in the mainstream media now and to not address it publicly seems very arrogant. Are there any transcripts available for posting regarding the 2dorks radio show? GREAT POINT In the past Neal would publicly jump on fans any time he didn't like what was being said, for far less important issues, than this big issue here. This effects the bands reputation for what THEY do for a living, so this is the time for them to respond to the fans, not stay silent. I recall many times being told by Neal's supporter on another board that this is just the way is, "Neal speaks his mind", so by Neal being silent, it makes me think it is true, because He is not defending himself or the band like he has always done in the past. Again, I have no problem talking about this topic with those who WANT to & I can go with the fun positve stuff too. Lori |
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Post by arden on Jun 26, 2006 23:22:37 GMT -5
If anyone is interested in the comparisons that Jeremy posted at the Crock you should get them while you can as he will be taking them off his server. Bill...er...EVIL, that sounds up your alley especially if you are up late tonight! forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17188&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0Jeremey Whiskey A Go Go Janitor Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 369 As information, I will be removing all audio clips from my server over the next 12 hours or so. I think everyone's heard the clips that wants to hear them, and although there is nothing illegal in hosting short (>1:00) clips for the purpose of educational discussion, it appears that CJ over at BT has already started laying the groundwork for some sort of legal threats. Having signed for registered letters from Journey's legal team before, it is not something I wish to get involved in again. Whether or not it is legal or right is not the argument when dealing with deep pockets. forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17188&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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Post by kaj on Jun 27, 2006 2:08:17 GMT -5
Hey Deano,I´m not getting cold feet but I now what you have said in the past regarding Steve Perry so I know what you´re capable of and it ain´t nice.
You are ofcourse entitled to your opinion but what next? First it was the Las Vegas DVD they used,then cutting room leftovers........and what about those songs Augeri hasn´t done on the DVD that are old Perry songs? How can he do those?
And if you ask me,this won´t hold in court - Journey has the money to get rich lawyers that will run you over so you´re just on a dead end street that will lead you nowhere.
Do you know why little girls run away? It´s because they are using their brain instead of sticking around fighting which to me sounds like shutting off the brain.
There´s a reason why mostly guys are behind bars in jail,we don´t use the brain as much as women do.....perhaps it´s time to use it and stop fighting.
I know you will only respond to this with harsh language coz that´s the only way you know of.
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Post by sexxymofo on Jun 27, 2006 3:04:35 GMT -5
Well I for one believe this to be true and not because Dean discovered it but because 2 professional and talented musicians have agreed with him. Jeremy even went as far as analyzing the clips on his own and showed proof of his findings. Now the media tho as some of you may claim is NOT mainstream has picked up the story and it has begun to get heard as it seems it has not ONLY made it onto KLOS radio station, but to the office of Uncle Joe. Journey needs to address such allegations. Why stay quiet? They are only letting the DOUBT factor grow too big that by then it would be impossible to dispel and for the FAN to trust them ever again. Oh, but what the hell do I know I am just one sad fan with a doubt in her mind, But I bet you there are others out there like me.  This no doubt will affect an all around excellent band whom once upon a time was PERFECTION itself. |
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Post by whycantthisnight on Jun 27, 2006 10:35:12 GMT -5
Arden is quite right in my book! This is the best thread on this subject anywhere. Informative, intelligent BUT peaceful! I frankly look here for the wrap up daily. This topic on other sites is either disintegrating into verbal abuse between members or being banned altogether. This without an answer from Journey! That is the whole key that keeps the real fans of the 30 year legacy tuned in! NOTHING from Journey! If the subject goes away, they can breathe a sigh of relief, dodged the bullet. BTW, the official Journey site is being closed for three days, supposedly for maintenance. What timing.........
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Post by arden on Jun 27, 2006 12:14:26 GMT -5
More than not responding to the allegations, Journey seems to be avoiding press altogether. Def Leppard just in the last week has been on Regis and Kelly TV show and The Opie and Anthony radio show. Both are very high profile mainstream media, and O&A specifically addressed the Journey controversy. The interesting thing is that Joe Elliot was asked about lip synching in general and then specifically about Journey lip synching. His response depends on which site you read. The "official" site reports that Joe doesn't believe the allegations and that a pair of binoculars would prove to anyone that it was actually the drummer singing and that was why people thought there was lip synching. That "other site" reports that in response to the general question about which bands lip synch, Joe responded "Everyone but us". When pressed specifically about Journey an the big controversy about their lead singer lipping, Joe said that they haven't done enough shows to see anything unusual, but their drummer sings a lot of songs, so maybe people aren't seeing that and that's where the idea is coming from. Did anyone hear this show for yourselves??? Is a transcript out there somewhere?? www.foundrymusic.com/opieanthony/ |
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Post by happycamper on Jun 27, 2006 14:15:32 GMT -5
I don't doubt for a moment that they were doing this and probably for some time. Will it continue? I doubt it as is evident in the poor performance of Augeri of late and the fact that Deen is taking over more of Augeri's vocals. I think that what has been accomplished so far is as good as it's going to get with Journey slowly fading away. They have been exposed and to admit it would be the worst thing that they could do as they would go downhill much faster that to simply die out because of speculation and poor performance. Consideration for the HOF has to be a thing of the past. Maybe they can say that it hasn't been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did this but they cannot prove that they didn't so they will always be suspect.
I'm not saying that it should be let go but the threats and day to day hints at next day complete annihilation of Journey is like waiting for the other shoe to drop.
What I feel for Classic Journey is starting to feel lost with all this and I would rather the band fade from sight than for it to be destroyed this way. Mistakes were made but I don't want the guys heads on a platter.
Classic Journey will feel the impact if the band admits this.
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Post by arden on Jun 27, 2006 14:32:53 GMT -5
I don't agree at all that Classic Journey or Steve Perry's legacy will be tarnished by any of this. Perry's place in Music history has been set for many years before any of this started. He has been very active behind the scenes working on remastering the works of the Classic lineup and releasing DVDs of his time with Journey. He has continuously distanced himself from the current lineup.
The worst thing Journey could do, IMO, is to remain silent. The allegations and questions are already out there and to not even acknowledge them much less address them looks very guilty.
To try and push Augeri's voice any further by forcing him to sing more live would only destroy whatever voice he has left.
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Post by perrynow on Jun 27, 2006 15:07:15 GMT -5
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I don't agree at all that Classic Journey or Steve Perry's legacy will be tarnished by any of this. Perry's place in Music history has been set for many years before any of this started. He has been very active behind the scenes working on remastering the works of the Classic lineup and releasing DVDs of his time with Journey. He has continuously distanced himself from the current lineup.
I agree with that 100%. If anybody's legacy is safe...it is Perry's. I think by now just about everyone knows that Perry isn't with the current line-up...at least all those who would even care or consider going to a concert.
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Post by icubud on Jun 27, 2006 20:50:06 GMT -5
I agree that Perry's legacy is secure --- to a point. It should be hands down but I'm leery of NS, JC... So some of you think it would be the worst thing for them to do by not responding. I gotta think through that. I can definitely see it causing a problem with the prospect of future interviews but I am not sure if admitting is really in THEIR best interest. Hmmm definitely need to think about that and consult the mountain. I do find it amazing that this forum is the only one that has really allowed the discussion to run on. Why wouldn't other boards [except BT of course  ] allow it to continue? That doesn't make any sense. |
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Post by arden on Jun 27, 2006 21:02:39 GMT -5
For them not to respond is like ignoring the elephant in the living room. The talk of it is too widespread at this point. Just this afternoon on KLOS Joe Benson played a block of Classic Journey songs and then said, "That was Steve Perry singing...or it was a recording of Steve Perry, if you were lip synching along." Neal has been so quick to mouth off about any other rumours in the past, and it's very out of character for him to dummy up about it. When Def Leppard were on Opie and Andy, they were asked about Journey's controversy. I have to think that would start ticking off Joe Elliot after a while. He is trying to promote their new CD and the interviewers want to bring up Journey's troubles. I'm wondering if he is going to start pressuring Neal to make a statement. I agree that Perry's legacy is secure --- to a point. It should be hands down but I'm leery of NS, JC... So some of you think it would be the worst thing for them to do by not responding. I gotta think through that. I can definitely see it causing a problem with the prospect of future interviews but I am not sure if admitting is really in THEIR best interest. Hmmm definitely need to think about that and consult the mountain. I do find it amazing that this forum is the only one that has really allowed the discussion to run on. Why wouldn't other boards [except BT of course ] allow it to continue? That doesn't make any sense. |
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Post by happycamper on Jun 28, 2006 10:34:27 GMT -5
I agree that Perry's legacy is secure --- to a point. It should be hands down but I'm leery of NS, JC... So some of you think it would be the worst thing for them to do by not responding. I gotta think through that. I can definitely see it causing a problem with the prospect of future interviews but I am not sure if admitting is really in THEIR best interest. Hmmm definitely need to think about that and consult the mountain. I do find it amazing that this forum is the only one that has really allowed the discussion to run on. Why wouldn't other boards [except BT of course ] allow it to continue? That doesn't make any sense. Lots of other sites are discussing it. I have even introduced it myself on a favorite site of mine, in a noncombative way, and all the posters who responded stated that they would never put up with it, if it were true. I didn't mention a name but the admin. posted that there was controversy about Journey on this. The owner at PV locked the thread because a couple of the posters were from backtalk and were getting the topic heated up and the owner has always tried to maintain a civil atmosphere there. The topic is being glued, screwed and tattooed @ Melodicrock. I'm not a fan of the new lineup and I blame Schon for all of Journeys troubles, past and present and I know that the stone has a big crack in it but I don't want to see it shattered. |
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Post by rockndeano on Jun 29, 2006 3:23:00 GMT -5
Kaj, no, no foul language. I am subdued by the passing of Pitman. He hated me and we brawled, but I didn't ever want the guy to die. Anyway, I NEVER deviated from my stance. The majority of songs, BGTY, SW, Faithfully, Escape, Ask the lonely, are from Vegas 2001. NO mistake. The others, Chain Reaction, EOTB, were recorded in studio. The Place in Your Heart is ALL lipped from the CD! Faith in the hearland is a hard one. Some off the CD, and some off another track laying around. By the way...........Here is a shocker; The Vegas 2001 DVD? Not Live at all. Yup, you heard it right. The Vegas 2001 was recorded IN Studio! I am not kidding about this. They played it live that night for real, but the released copy is anything BUT live. Kaj, I like your site, and I am sorry for my harshness as usual...I am working on it. I get what you mean about Court...However, Journey would never in a million years take me to Court. To have the spotlight on them in a bad bad situation is almost like a loss.......Plus, I would subpeona Jeremy for his analysis, and other experts. IF this goes to Court, Journey can expect a class action lawsuit, and it is already basically drafted up................ The best way to shut me up would be to kill me. |
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Post by Bill on Jun 30, 2006 21:04:32 GMT -5
Bunch of clips back up on the blog, grab while they are still up
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Post by sexxymofo on Jun 30, 2006 22:52:25 GMT -5
Bunch of clips back up on the blog, grab while they are still up Listening to those clips ONCE was enough for me. ;D When it says save to disk does that mean hard disk or does that mean I have to pop in a cd disk? |
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Post by Bill on Jul 1, 2006 2:12:22 GMT -5
save to disc allows you to put it wherever you want it on your pc hard drive, you can choose desktop or make a folder on desktop and put them there etc
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Post by whycantthisnight on Jul 1, 2006 12:04:35 GMT -5
:oOH MY
Guess Augeri actually sang live the last show and a clip has surfaced! This makes it clear why Journey would consider the lip synch option. Faithfully sounds painfully. The concert season has only just begun.
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Post by perrynow on Jul 1, 2006 15:42:39 GMT -5
Holy Crap! Did anybody read THIS review?
ummer Concerts 2006
Rock 101: Def Leppard Schools Journey
By: Gene Padden 07/01/2006
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7/1/06 at Montage Mountain, Scranton
While it's been 27 years since Def Leppard's first recording, watching the band rock the Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain Friday night, you couldn't help but shake your head. A countrified Bon Jovi not withstanding, Def Leppard is schooling every single band of its heyday.
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And, the guys know what's up. Near the one-hour mark of their torrid, greatest hits-heavy set, Phil Collen paused to deliver one of the most sincere "thank you" passages of any band we've seen at the mountain.
"We've been following what's been going on around here and we didn't think anyone was going to come out tonight. We thought you all had more important things to do than to come and see a rock 'n' roll show. We're all here, and we're going to try and make everybody happy for a little bit."
This was a damp Northeastern Pennsylvania crowd that had spent the past few days watching a river swallow entire towns, but tired it was not. It needed a release, and Def Leppard provided it.
This crowd stood for Def Leppard's entire set, and sadly, it was a stark contrast to Journey's opening set, which can be described as dismal at best.
Journey came out all pomp and no performance. Frontman Steve Augeri, who will forever be compared to the incomparable Steve Perry, spent most of his stage time front and center, mugging for the crowd in a Jesus Christ pose, like he was expecting to be showered with adoration for all of the music he had nothing to do with.
Augeri sported white jeans and a white sport coat, like he was running late for Colonel Sanders' wedding or something. What we quickly learned, is that much like Colonel Sanders doesn't actually cook the chicken at KFC, Steve Augeri doesn't really sing the songs for Journey.
From note one, Neal Schon's guitar dwarfed everything on stage. Only if you stuck your fingers in your ears could you clearly hear Augeri, who was struggling like Rob Zombie in a church choir.
The first two songs were lyrically inaudible, and led into a guitar solo. Yes, a guitar solo, with the entire band onstage, sans Augeri.
Augeri left the stage during several songs, which drummer Deen Castronovo sang almost exactly like Steve Perry. On more than one occasion, Augeri stopped singing and pulled the mic from his face, yet the vocals sounded unchanged as Castronovo carried the tune.
Castronovo, on this night, was the best performer in the band. It's too bad that the songs he sang sent many fans to the beer tents, as fans realized Augeri is nothing but a puppet, and not even a good puppet at that. It's a wonder how a "singer" can continue to tour, knowing that night after night, he has to leave the stage so the drummer can sing the songs he's supposed to sing.
As the first hour crawled, we sat in awe of the gigantic horizontal video screen that played generic shapes and swirlies that even Windows Media Player had to find amusing.
There would be no "Open Arms," and the band played only one tune from Raised on Radio, and it was ironically "Be Good to Yourself."
The crowd finally rose one hour into the set, when Cain started "Faithfully." Augeri (wisely) allowed the crowd to sing "Don't Stop," "Separate Ways," and the encore of "Any Way You Want It."
His night was summed up when he idiotically tossed his two-ounce mic stand into Deen's drum kit during "Separate Ways," breaking a cymbal and boom from its mount and drawing a death stare from Deen's drum tech.
There are times when such acts could be considered as "rock." This was not one of those times, and this is not one of those tours for Journey.
By night's end, it was obvious that Def Leppard had come to rock, while Journey had come to get paid. Contrary to what Cain told us in a recent interview, DL was the band with swords drawn to protect its legacy, and Journey?
Well, guys, next time you ride into town on your white horse, you better have Sir Perry.
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Post by Bill on Jul 1, 2006 18:20:24 GMT -5
Wow that is an actual article on the net or print?
Is there a link to this on the net?
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Post by properry on Jul 1, 2006 18:35:47 GMT -5
Wow that is an actual article on the net or print? Is there a link to this on the net? I saw that article over on the MR Journey board, here is the link, Bill, Http://www.zwire./site/news.cfm?newsid=16871769&BRD=22282&PAG=461&deptid=580164&rfi=6 Hope I got it right. Lori |
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Post by properry on Jul 1, 2006 18:49:06 GMT -5
That is a very sad review for Journey, certainly NOT the kind of reviews, I remember when Steve Perry was lead singer. All I can say is thank goodness for ALL our Perry/Journey DVD's, and CD's that will forever remind us of how the "band performed" with such high quality & very close to perfection.
Lori
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Post by Bill on Jul 1, 2006 18:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by properry on Jul 1, 2006 19:00:00 GMT -5
Hey Bill, thanks for sharing that article it was very funny and very entertaining to read!
Lori
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Post by Bill on Jul 1, 2006 19:04:54 GMT -5
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Post by Bill on Jul 1, 2006 19:06:24 GMT -5
Nevermind, had not been to MR or anywhere else to realize this story too had been talked about...Silly me sorry on that
Bill
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Post by properry on Jul 1, 2006 19:16:17 GMT -5
Nevermind, had not been to MR or anywhere else to realize this story too had been talked about...Silly me sorry on that Bill It is ok Bill. This interview is being discussed here on the thread, "Recent Interview with Jonathan Cain" in case you missed it. Lori |
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